The Waves: The Case Against Ghislaine Maxwell

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🗓️ 18 December 2021

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On this week’s episode of The Waves, senior managing producer of Slate podcasts June Thomas is joined by Slate senior writer Seth Stevenson to talk about the ongoing trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, which Seth has been covering since it started at the end of November. Maxwell is accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse minors by recruiting and grooming underage girls. First, Seth and June catch up on what has been happening in the courtroom now that the prosecution has rested its case. In the second half of the show, they unpack some of Maxwell’s history of benefiting from shady men and Seth predicts what’s to come. Looming over the trial, and our discussion: Is it fair to hold a woman accountable for aiding in a man's wrongdoings? Also mentioned in the episode: Seth’s 2019 account of his experience being a member of the jury in a murder trial. In Slate Plus, Seth and June discuss TV shows that focus on young women trying to make it in New York media, like Younger and The Bold Type. Recommendations: June: The British TV show Antiques Road Trip Seth: The Peter Jackson documentary The Beatles: Get Back. Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves.
0:12.9	Welcome to the waves. Slate podcast about gender, feminism, and this week at least,
0:18.4	women accused of unspeakable crimes against other women. Every episode you get a new pair of
0:24.4	feminists to talk about the things we can't get off our minds. And today you've got me,
0:29.6	June Thomas, the senior managing producer of Slate Podcasts and a host of working. Slate's
0:35.1	podcast about the creative process. And me, Seth Stevenson, a Slate senior writer.
0:40.2	Today we're going to be talking about the trial of Gillen Maxwell, which you've been attending
0:45.4	and writing spectacular dispatches from. Like many people, I've read what feels like endless
0:51.6	stories about Maxwell and her longtime partner, Jeffrey Epstein. And I've listened to
0:56.0	multiple podcasts and watch several TV series about the case. I'm low key obsessed with it in a
1:01.3	way that feels totally righteous and also makes me feel a bit queasy. This trial involves some
1:08.5	of the richest and most privileged people in the world and the seems to be some hope, at least,
1:14.8	that if they've committed crimes justice will be done. But it's ultimately about the sexual
1:20.2	abuse and exploitation of underage girls. And I have conflicted feelings about a woman being
1:27.2	held accountable for the alleged terrible behavior of a whole bunch of men. I want you to help me
1:32.8	figure out that particular and peculiar bolus of emotions. And I'm curious why you wanted to
1:40.3	cover the trial. Just on a personal level, I've had an interest in trials for a long time because
1:45.5	when I was in my early 20s, I was a juror on a murder trial in Washington, DC. And it was a really
1:51.1	awful experience in a lot of ways, but also very interesting. And ever since then, I've wanted to
1:55.9	understand more about how trials work and how they do and do not serve justice. And so I've covered
2:00.9	a lot of them as a journalist. And with this particular one, I think my interest was similar to what
2:06.6	you described and what a lot of people have said, wanting to understand more about Jeffrey
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