The Waves: Liz Cheney’s Mom Energy
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🗓️ 4 August 2022
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Summary
On this week’s episode of The Waves, Slate senior writer Christina Cauterucci and Slate books and culture columnist Laura Miller talk all things Liz Cheney. They discuss Laura’s piece on how the Republican Congresswoman is coming across like a disappointed mom during the January 6 hearings—and whether comparing women politicians to mother figures is always sexist. Then they dig into what Cheney’s long-game is as she defies the Republican party and goes against Donald Trump.
In Slate Plus, Christina and Laura discuss the January 6 hearings’ breakout star, Cassidy Hutchinson.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Waves. Slates podcast about gender, feminism and being not mad |
| 0:21.7 | just disappointed. Every episode you get a new pair of feminists to talk about the thing |
| 0:27.8 | we can't get off our minds. And today, you've got me, Christina Cauterucci. I'm a senior |
| 0:33.8 | writer at Slate and host of the Slate podcast outward. And me, Laura Miller, I'm the Books |
| 0:38.7 | and Culture columnist for Slate. This week, Lauren I are talking about Liz Cheney, |
| 0:46.0 | the Republican Congresswoman from Wyoming. If you've been watching the congressional hearings |
| 0:51.0 | about the January 6th attack on the Capitol, you've been seeing a lot of Cheney. She's the |
| 0:56.6 | vice chair of that committee and one of only two Republicans there. So, Jamie has been at the |
| 1:02.6 | head of this investigation that's revealing how Donald Trump tried his very best to overturn |
| 1:08.8 | the results of the 2020 election and hold on to presidential power. And because Liz Cheney |
| 1:14.6 | voted to impeach Trump after the January 6th attack, Trump has endorsed her primary opponent, |
| 1:20.2 | another Republican who's currently leading by about 22 points in the polls. So, Cheney is almost |
| 1:27.6 | certainly going to lose her job in a few months. This is why I'm excited to talk about her today |
| 1:34.2 | because it's thrilling in a way to watch what she's been doing because it's just so rare to see |
| 1:42.0 | somebody do that. Mostly, when we see people in politics, they are often swayed by big donors, |
| 1:50.0 | by lobbyists, by their parties very often. And less often, they can be moved by the feelings and |
| 1:57.2 | opinions of their constituents. But what it seems like we're watching when we watch Cheney is |
| 2:03.0 | somebody who may very well be throwing away their career in elected office to do what she believes |
| 2:10.6 | is right. Her motivation seems to be almost entirely internal. I'll be interested to hear what you |
| 2:18.3 | think, Laura, about whether that's a fair interpretation of what's going on. But you wrote a |
| 2:23.2 | great piece in sleep about Cheney's role on the January 6th committee. Why did you want to talk |
| 2:28.9 | about her? Well, I agree that it is impressive to see somebody who is willing to sacrifice their |
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