The Waves: “It Was and Is Horrible”

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🗓️ 30 December 2021

⏱️ 50 minutes

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On this week’s episode of The Waves, former hosts Christina Cauterucci, Nichole Perkins and Marcia Chatelain return for a special reunion. They haven't been on the microphones together since the pandemic started, and they have a lot to discuss. They cover the nighttime doula Twitter fight, thoughts on the generational battles that are raging, how race plays a role in nostalgia, and the horrors of dating during the pandemic. In Slate Plus: Is gift giving sexist? Recommendations: Christina: Sheertex tights Nichole: Candles, especially from Brooklyn Candle Studio and Posh Candle Company. Marcia: Checking out interesting children’s books like Julián Is a Mermaid, by Jessica Love. Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to thewaves@slate.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves. This is the waves.
0:12.9	Hello and welcome to the waves. Slates podcast about gender, feminism, and catching up with old
0:19.6	friends after two years that felt more like 10. I'm Christina Kateruchi, a senior writer at Slate,
0:26.7	and I've got to say it, it must be the season of giving because the powers that be here at Slate,
0:35.6	or maybe maybe a little help from Santa, have given me the thing that was at the very top of my
0:42.0	wish list this year, a reunion episode with two of my very favorite thinkers and podcasters.
0:48.9	So this week, I'm joined by Nicole Perkins and Marsha Chatlin. We haven't actually recorded
0:56.8	together since April 2020, and I know a lot of new listeners have come into the fold since then,
1:01.8	so why don't you two reintroduce yourselves? Hi, I'm Nicole Perkins, a writer and podcaster,
1:09.5	and I have missed the waves so, so, so very much. I'm Marsha Chatlin, a professor of history at
1:15.9	Georgetown University, and a constant source of hot takes based in Washington, DC. Both of you
1:22.9	had big years in 2020 and 2021 in spite of the global tumult. Give us the rundown. What have you
1:31.3	been up to? Well, I will start in this order. I got a master class subscription, and I started
1:37.8	making a bunch of recipes from Thomas Keller. I bought a house during the pandemic. I won the
1:43.9	Pulitzer Prize in history, which sounds really weird to say, but that was an incredible moment,
1:50.5	and I adopted a baby boy. My son, Michael, came to us on April 1st of 2021, and he kind of erased
2:01.7	the pure garbage year of 2020 with his giant cheeks. Nicole, tell us about your year, years.
2:08.8	I started a new podcast called This Is Good For You, and that's where I talk to people about
2:14.8	the things that they do for pleasure, just for themselves. Then I went to Dublin, Ireland,
2:21.5	as a special treat to myself, because I had published a book in 2021 in August. It's a memoir
2:29.8	called Sometimes I Trip on How Happy We Could Be. Those are the pretty big things that happened.
2:35.1	I mean, your book also received a lot of props from very well-known people. You were part of
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