The Waves: I Don’t Care If You Like Me

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🗓️ 25 May 2023

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

On this week’s episode of The Waves, are female characters becoming less likable? Slate senior supervising producer, Daisy Rosario is joined by author and comedian Jena Friedman. Jena’s new book Not Funny explores likeability and what that means for women in comedy and the world. They talk about unlikeable female characters and anti-heroines in shows like Rosanne, Killing Eve, and more. How unlikeable female characters have evolved - and how streamers actually helped bring down some gatekeepers making more room for complex women on TV. In Slate Plus: When Jena asked famous male comics the questions so many female comics get asked every day. If you liked this episode, check out: How to Survive in Hollywood. Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Daisy Rosario and Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to [email protected]. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get an ad-free experience across the network and exclusive content on many shows—you’ll also be supporting the work we do here on How To!. Sign up now at slate.com/thewavesplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Waves, Slate's podcast about gender, feminism, and today, likability and
0:12.3	female anti-heroes.
0:14.1	Every episode you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing that we cannot get
0:17.4	off of our minds, and today you've got me, Daisy Rosario, senior supervising producer
0:21.9	of audio here at Slate, and I will be talking to the hilarious and brilliant Jenna Friedman.
0:29.6	Jenna is a comedian, writer, and director.
0:32.0	She's worked on the daily show with John Stewart and the late show with David Letterman.
0:35.8	She's also the creator of AMC's indefensible and soft focus with Jenna Friedman on adult
0:41.0	swim.
0:42.0	Or you may have seen her stand up on Conan.
0:44.2	I don't think violence is ever the answer, but I do think we need to do a better job
0:49.9	at making Nazis feel less safe to be Nazis in America and espouse their ideology and recruit
0:56.9	other Nazis.
0:58.4	Because it doesn't really ever work out for anyone who's not a Nazi.
1:04.2	Or for Nazis, thank you.
1:10.0	It doesn't work out for Nazis either, like it's not like they won, you know.
1:14.9	So, here's my advice.
1:18.2	If you see a Nazi on the street, don't punch him, but maybe lightly harass him.
1:26.9	I call him.
1:29.4	Tell him to smile.
1:32.2	If any Nazis work for you, pay them less.
1:36.8	Take credit for their ideas.
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