Welcome to the Waves, Slates podcast about gender, feminism, and how to be a jock without

overdoing it.

Every episode you get a new pair of women to talk about the thing we cannot get off of

our minds.

And today you've got me, Shannon Paulis, a senior editor at Slate, and me, Eleanor

Cummins, a freelance science journalist and regular Slate contributor.

So I recently launched a column at Slate called Good Fet.

And it's all about the idea that there's so so much information about how to work out

and how to not work out and the exercises that will help you burn fat and lose calories,

but not make your muscles too big.

And even if you get away from the really diet culturey pieces, a lot of workout advice

comes down to how to work out to live longer, how to work out to have a better memory,

how to work out so your cancer risk goes down.

And with Good Fet, we just want to cut through a lot of the noise and say, okay, we're

human beings.

We know we're supposed to move or animals.

How do we find a movement routine or a non-routine way to move that exists in this like modern

ma of like advice and science and technology, but just feels good?

So one of the first entries is when I wrote called the case for running slowly.

And I'm a lifelong runner and recently I've been on a little mission to fixate less

on my pace, which can be really hard to do in a world of like sophisticated tracking

technologies.

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