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You're listening to BBC Sounds. Hello and welcome to Scrum 5, a Gatland special with the news today that Warren Gatland has left his role as head coach of Wales by mutual agreement.

We're bringing you this special edition to discuss what's been another eventful day in Welsh rugby with Jonathan Davis, Alex Cuthbert and Jonathan Davis.

I was going to use junior and senior, but that makes you sound

like father and son. Pre and post. That's what it looks at. That's what it looks at. There must

be a crisis in Welsh rugby because you're all back, Jonathan. It's nice to be invited.

Well, you've always, you've kept a special place in Noah Hart. No, no, no, no. But what a day. After 14 successive defeats, having won just six games under the past 26,

Warren Gatlin has left by mutual agreement. Matt Sherratt, the current Cardiff coach, will take over the role on an interim basis.

And Alex, I guess there's been an inevitability in a way that his fate was sealed at one point we thought it would happen post Australia perhaps then Italy defeat meant you know we thought it would happen after the tournament there's still been a surprise factor about about today would you agree? Yeah, obviously, whilst rugby, the circus continues, as they say.

Yeah, I think what I find really, really weird is just the timing of it.

Like, you know, they had the chance, obviously, after last year, Six Nations and then the autumn,

and they've backed him thinking that there was going to be a change

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