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The Daily

The War Inside the Catholic Church

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2018

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

An archbishop has accused Pope Francis of being part of the effort to cover up a sex abuse scandal. What does it mean that the accusation is coming from inside the Roman Catholic Church? Guest: Jason Horowitz, the Rome bureau chief of The New York Times. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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0:00.0

From The New York Times on Michael Barbaro, this is the name.

0:10.0

Today, an archbishop in the Catholic Church is accusing Hope Francis himself of being

0:18.0

part of the effort to cover up the latest sex abuse scandal.

0:22.0

What it means that that accusation is coming from inside the church.

0:32.0

It's Tuesday, August 28th.

0:38.0

So, Hope Francis went on a trip to Ireland that was highly anticipated because in May, Ireland took

0:46.0

their first steps to legalize abortion. And so, that was seen as a huge sign that the Catholic

0:53.4

Church in Ireland was no more in a certain sense. He was going to have to try and convince the Irish

1:00.5

to come back to a church that had treated them not very well. Ireland had suffered one of the worst

1:07.2

sexual abuse crises in all of Europe. So, the Pope had a tough trip ahead of him no matter what.

1:13.2

Jason Horowitz is the Rome Bureau Chief. And then we all wake up on Sunday morning and there's this letter.

1:25.2

So, this letter is a more than 7,000 word essentially,

1:30.2

screwed against Hope Francis and his allies in the American Church in the Vatican.

1:37.2

And it's a sort of a nuclear bomb that immediately becomes the focus of Francis' trip to Ireland.

1:45.2

I just want to begin by asking you about a story that's been emerging overnight. Alligations being

1:51.2

leveled against the Pope. Tell us about that.

1:53.2

Three things immediately stood out. The first was the accusation by Archbishop Vignot that

2:01.2

Francis had actually personally covered up the abuse of Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of the United States.

2:11.2

Who of course resigned just a month ago as a Cardinal in Washington, D.C. The allegations surrounded the abuse of some seminary students.

2:21.2

McCarrick had been abusing seminarians and that Francis had this knowledge as far back as 2013.

2:29.2

The other accusation is that Francis' predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, actually sanctioned McCarrick.

2:37.2

That his abuse was so known inside the Church that the predecessor to Francis sanctioned him.

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