The War in Ukraine
After Hours
TED Audio Collective / Youngme Moon, Mihir Desai, & Felix Oberholzer-Gee
4.8 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 11 March 2022
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
In this bonus episode, Felix and Mihir welcome back their colleague and friend Rawi Abdelal to discuss the origins of the conflict, the effects of the sanctions, and how the situation might evolve.
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| 0:45.8 | Welcome everyone. You're listening to a special episode of After Hours. I'm Felix. I'm |
| 0:51.1 | here and we are so excited to have a special guest. It's Robby. Robby Abdelal, our old friend, |
| 0:59.6 | and a real expert on things going on in the world today, especially with respect to Russian |
| 1:04.2 | Ukraine, we are delighted to have you back, Robby. I'm delighted to be back with you. There's |
| 1:08.4 | so much to discuss. One question I have for you too is, have you seen the video that's |
| 1:14.8 | been circulating with audio capture of a conversation between a Russian warship and 15 or so Ukrainian |
| 1:23.3 | military officers whose job it is to defend this tiny little island called Snake Island and the |
| 1:29.5 | audio capture has the commander of the Russian warship saying, this is Russian warship, you must |
| 1:35.4 | lay down your arms and surrender immediately or we will open fire. And then you can hear two Ukrainian |
| 1:41.2 | military officers speaking with each other sort of quietly. One of them says, well, I guess that's |
| 1:46.9 | it then because how are they going to defend themselves against a Russian warship? And then one Ukrainian |
| 1:53.2 | military officer says to the other, do you think I should tell them to f*** off? And the second one says, |
| 2:00.5 | yeah, I think so for good measure. And so he says, which basically translates to Russian warship |
| 2:09.4 | go f*** yourself. And that phrase is now everywhere in Ukraine. The idea that these military officers |
| 2:18.8 | were facing certain defeat, there's no way they could defend this island against a Russian warship, |
| 2:23.6 | but they will not give up, they will not surrender under any circumstances. And so the Russian |
| 2:30.8 | warship Yidina Huay is a kind of rallying cry now in Ukraine. Their expression of relentless |
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