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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The War in Ukraine, Explained — Part 4: The future of Europe

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 21 April 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is one of the biggest and most confusing political events of our lifetimes. We aim to bring some clarity in this special four-part series from Vox Conversations and host Zack Beauchamp, The War in Ukraine, Explained. In part four, Zack speaks with author, political scientist, and scholar of European politics Ivan Krastev. They discuss the reverberations of Russia's invasion of Ukraine across Europe, from a sudden change of course in Germany and elections in France to the threatened intellectual foundations of the European Union nations' shared postwar identity, and how the war in Ukraine will shape the EU's future relations with the U.S. and China — and the future of Europe itself. Host: Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp), Senior Correspondent, Vox Guest: Ivan Krastev, political scientist; chairman, Centre for Liberal Strategies; permanent fellow, Institute for Human Sciences, IWM Vienna References: The Light That Failed: Why the West is Losing the Fight for Democracy by Stephen Holmes and Ivan Krastev (Pegasus; 2020) "We Are All Living in Vladimir Putin's World Now" by Ivan Krastev (New York Times; Feb. 27) "How the Weak Win Wars: A Theory of Asymmetric Conflict" by Ivan Arreguín-Toft (International Security, vol. 26 (1); 2001) Postwar: A History of Europe Since 1945 by Tony Judt (Penguin; 2006) The Idea of India by Sunil Khilnani (FSG; 1997) Enjoyed this episode? Rate Vox Conversations ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of Vox Conversations by subscribing in your favorite podcast app. Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by: Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Engineer: Paul Robert Mounsey Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Here's the Ukraine War, one of history's turning points.

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I'm Zach Beacham and I rate for Vox about democracy and global politics and today I'm your host for a special series on Vox Conversations.

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The War New Crayon Explained.

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In this four part series we're going to attempt to bring clarity to one of the biggest and most confusing political events of our lifetimes.

1:32.0

This week in our fourth and final installment we're going to discuss the really big picture of the war.

1:38.0

What Putin's invasion and Ukraine's stiff resistance means for the future of Europe and global politics.

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My guest to help us understand all of this is Ivan Krasiv, a political scientist, author, and the chairman of the Center for Liberal Strategies in Sofia Bokaria.

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He's the co-author of the light that failed a book on the collapse of democracy in the former communist states of Eastern Europe and a leading commentator on European geopolitics.

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Ivan, welcome to the show.

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Thank you very much for the invitation.

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I want to start by talking specifically about the way that Europe has reacted to the invasion. I'm wondering if you were surprised by the degree to which the EU in particular managed to act in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine,

2:29.0

economic and security and political fronts almost astonishingly quickly and effectively.

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