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The gang itself is there to make more money. In order to make more money and expand you have to use violence.

And in order to use violence you have to use violence and in order to use

violence you have to be organized. You know one of the big things that people have

to remember is you know a lot of these a lot of the guys have never been approached by a reporter ever.

The Chicago media generally gets most of their prime reporting from the police. You're listening to War College, a weekly podcast that brings you the stories from behind the front lines.

Here are your hosts. Hello, welcome to War College. I'm Matthew Gault. And I'm Derek Cannon.

America is at war across the world, but it's also at war at home.

For decades, violent crime has been at record lows across the country.

But that's slowly changing as cities such as Baltimore, Chicago, and St. across the city's

cities such as Baltimore, Chicago, and St. Louis see terrifying amounts of murders and gang violence.

To make things worse, the way cops do their job in some of these cities looks more like counterinsurgency than it does

community policing. Here to help us unpack what's going on is Patrick Burke. Burke is a freelance

journalist who covered the war at home for Wars Boring, Al Jazeera, and the Huffington Post.

He's also a former researcher at the Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism.

Pat, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you for having me.

So, Pat, what are the hot spots for organized violence in America?

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