Hi and welcome to the working songwriter.

The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran saving money on royalties by recording a new

master of your 1986 hit single or else a scrappy upstart, saving money on royalties by

releasing your album on Band Camp Friday, this is your show, because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad

excuse to put off actually writing.

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