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Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of IHeart Radio.

Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

My name is Robert Lamb.

And I am Joe McCormick.

And as I mentioned in at least a couple of previous episodes of the show,

over the summer this year, 2025, my family traveled to Indonesia for some snorkeling. And in learning

all about the local environment of Raja Ampat, the guides kept mentioning an individual by the name of

Alfred Russell Wallace, as well as the final boundary named in his honor the Wallace line.

In fact, I would say that Wallace was invoked one way or another nearly as much as Darwin was invoked on my visit to the Galapagos Islands a couple years prior.

So, yeah, Wallace, the Wallace line.

I mentioned a lot in terms of just describing what was happening in the natural world around us and in Indonesia at large.

That's a funny comparison because, of course, if you know one thing about Alfred Russell Wallace, it is probably that he was the other guy to come up with a version of the

theory of evolution by natural selection around the same time that Darwin did.

The Darwin tends to get most of the credit.

And I think in many ways, people understand Darwin to have articulated a more rigorous form of

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