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Welcome to the Double X Gap Fest for Thursday, June 1st, the Walk of Shame edition.

I'm Hannah Rosen, a host of NPR's Invisibilia.

In the New York studios, we have Noreen Malone of New York Magazine. Hi, Noreen. Hi, Anna. And June is still not back from her vacation. So today we have with us a very special guest, Ross Douthit, New York Times columnist. And you are in Connecticut, right, Ross? I am, yes. And thank you so much for having me. We are excited to have you today. So let me make an

announcement before we get started. We are having a live show on June 22nd at the Bell House. We'll have a

very special guest, which we're going to announce next week. But it's June 22nd. You can buy tickets

at slate.com slash live. So all our New York friends, please come join us at the show we would love to see you

all right guys before we jump into our topics i want to telly ann conway right that's the that's the

special guess absolutely that would be awesome i didn't i didn't mean to spill but i figured

people should know i um i would love to like i think every journalist set themselves the task of like, I'm going to be the one who gets her to break.

Do you think every journalist in America believes that? And then none of, like, even if Jake Tapper can't do it, who can do it?

You think you could do it, Ross? I think she's unbreakable. She's unbreakable, right?

She's a strong, powerful woman. In fact, I think all this talk of breaking her might be a little bit, you know, sexist. Are you trying to go to us? Are you not trying to go to us? I just, you know, you've had me on. I figure I have to play some kind of, some kind of part. No, I'm. Yeah. So before we get started, I want to run by you guys a little domestic dilemma because my husband and I had a fight about this this morning. So one of my kids' teachers is having a baby, and they're having a baby shower. And we happen to have this lovely jumper in the attic, which was labeled boys' jumper. She's having a girl, as my son informed

me. It's like gray with blue polar bears on it. Is it literally labeled? Does it like have the

words boys jumper on it? Unfortunately, the little tag says boys jumper on it, which I didn't

notice, but my son noticed. Okay. But you could, you could, I just want all the

context. You want all the context. You could rip that out. But it's like, you know, it's like a soft gray with blue polar bears, okay? And so, so I thought, um, I thought, well, it does not, we got to buy a girl thing because it's her first child and people are just strange about that. And my husband thought that was just completely,

completely preposterous. Like this is a beautiful thing we have in our home. It's brand new.

Like, why can't we give it to her? So he has a point. But then I asked him, if it were a pink jumper,

would you tell me I should give it to her if she's having a son? No, he obviously wouldn't. No, right? Yeah. Like, that's the secret of gender neutral baby clothes. They're all basically boys' gender, boys' baby clothes. Well, how did he answer? I think I won that one. He was like a little, he was like, I mean, admittedly it was early in the morning,

but he was like a little flummoxed. But the thing is, so what, I win on the kind of philosophical point, but I'm still wrong. Like, we should still give it to the girl because it's fine to give it to the girl. So like on the actual practicalities of it, I'm wrong, even though in the kind of ideology, philosophy, I'm right. The thing that should happen is we should give the pink

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