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News, Politics, Nbc News, Msnbc, Nicolle Wallace, Washington Dc, Government, Donald Trump, The White House, Daily News

4.65.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 April 2024

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Nicolle Wallace is joined by Andrew Weissmann, Tim Heaphy, Katty Kay, Anne Applebaum, Rick Stengel, Frank Figliuzzi, Nancy Gertner, Michael Eric Dyson, John Heilemann, Simon Rosenberg, and Cornell Belcher.

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0:00.0

Hi everyone it's 4 o'clock New York the tensions between Special Council Jack Smith and the judge who's puzzling.

0:15.7

Eyebrow-raising decisions have led to questions about whether she is simply indulging

0:20.0

Donald Trump's strategy of delay, delay, and delay again have now turned into a war of words.

0:26.1

In a ruling issued this late afternoon, about an hour ago, Judge Aileen Cannon denied

0:31.0

Donald Trump's request to dismiss the classified documents case.

0:34.8

Based on the Presidential Records Act defense, in essence, Trump was claiming that he had the right

0:39.7

to hold on to national security state secrets because they somehow belong to him.

0:45.0

Today, Judge Cannon rejected that rather ridiculous defense handing

0:49.4

Jack Smith an ostensible win.

0:52.0

This could just be round one on these issues.

0:54.4

Kenan saying that the criminal charges against Trump quote, make no reference to the

0:58.1

Presidential Workers Act, nor do they rely on that statute for purpose of stating and offense.

1:03.9

Adding this, quote, accepting the allegations of the superseding indictment is true.

1:07.5

The Presidential Records Act does not provide a pretrial basis to dismiss.

1:12.2

The judge there leaving the door open to revisiting this issue.

1:16.8

And as reported on this very broadcast

1:18.9

at this very hour yesterday,

1:20.7

Kenan had asked both prosecutors and Trump's defense team to address the question of whether those documents could be considered personal in jury instructions, which led to a sharp rebuke from Special Counsel of Jack Smith's team.

1:35.0

He called the idea, quote, fundamentally flawed.

1:37.8

In her ruling today, Cannon fires back saying that Smith's demand to settle the issue of whether the documents could be

1:43.8

considered personal once and for all is quote unprecedented and unjust.

1:49.0

Let's get not in here. So we start today with two of our favorite experts and friends,

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