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Simply Put

The Visible and Invisible Church

Simply Put

Ligonier Ministries

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

51.4K Ratings

🗓️ 12 November 2024

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

Not everyone who visibly appears in the church actually belongs to God’s redeemed people. Today, Barry Cooper helps us make the crucial distinction between the visible and invisible church.

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0:00.0

What do people mean when they talk about the visible and the invisible church?

0:05.8

I hope I'm not getting anyone into trouble here, but I have a, well, let's call him a close relative,

0:11.6

who has a gift for getting into places he really shouldn't be.

0:16.1

He once took me to an air show when I was a child, breezily ushering me into an area that was intended exclusively

0:22.3

for members of the media. When challenged by an official, he nonchalantly flashed a laminated batch.

0:28.5

It might have been his library card for all I know, and the door was duly open for us.

0:33.3

It was a bit like that bit in Star Wars, where Alec Guinness waves his hand mysteriously in front of the stormtroopers and says,

0:39.4

these aren't the droids you're looking for, except without a library card, obviously.

0:44.2

Not everyone who identifies as a member of the media is actually a member of the media.

0:49.8

And in the same way, not everyone who seems to be a member of God's church is actually a member of God's

0:56.4

church. That's what we mean by the visible and invisible church. The visible church comprises all

1:03.7

those who claim to be or identify as followers of Christ. The invisible church comprises all those who

1:10.7

really are followers of Christ. Jesus invisible church comprises all those who really are followers of Christ. Jesus tells

1:14.3

a story about this in Matthew 13. A man sows good seed in his field and his servants are perplex

1:21.5

when the field turns out to have weeds in it as well as wheat. We thought you only sowed wheat.

1:26.6

What's with all the weeds? The master says

1:28.7

rather ominously, an enemy has done this. So what would you like us to do, say the servants?

1:34.6

Shall we go and root up all the weeds? No, says the master. If you do that, you might accidentally

1:40.0

root up the good stuff. Let them both grow together. I will separate them once and for all

1:45.8

when the time comes for the harvest. The thing about wheat and weeds, as I discovered in the mid-1980s

1:52.8

during a short-lived stint as a gardener, is that it isn't always easy to spot the difference

1:58.2

between a weed and a prize-winning flower. Some of the most

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