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People will, I think, have forgotten what is national action or

they're in a country where it didn't get much attention.

But for a while it was a very serious threat,

so much so that it was one of the first groups

that the British government designated a terror organization

for a very long time. So I think let's just kind of do a timeline and go back to the start, but explain what national action like, you know, became what was it?

Well, national action was set up just over 10 years ago in 2013.

The two main co-founders at the beginning were guys called Ben Raymond and Alex Davis.

Ben Raymond at the time was a recent graduate, politics graduate, and he then was working in

a series of jobs including double glazing salesman helping claimants in a job center and other things.

And he was active online, including on Iron March forum.

And he was kind of someone who was

into creating memes, other things.

He was very kind of prolific online.

And he ended up in touch with Alex Davis from from Wales and Alex Davis had

been a member of the British National Party and the British National Party now is

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