Welcome to the vast majority. I'm Jack of an managing editor Micah, you tricked.

The topic of Borders and immigration has always been a central one to US politics and of course the current moment is no exception with Donald Trump making a border wall one of the central policies of his presidential

campaign and his barbaric border policy being central to his time in the White House.

Now Trump's border policy is repulsive of course, but the left has to figure out what our border policy should look like and this has been something that's been very hotly debated recently.

Should we advance a kind of maximalist policy of open borders

saying let everybody in or do social democratic policies like Medicare for

all require us to draw the line at who we let into the country.

On the campaign trail, Bernie Sanders recently argued against open borders,

and that's a stance that I think was a tremendous mistake for how it played into the rights hands on immigration.

And Susie Lee agrees.

She is the director of the Human Rights Program

and the Department of Human Development at Binghamton University.

And she has an article in a recent issue of our journal Catalyst called The Case for Open Borders. So, Sousie, hello?

Hi.

So part of the debate about open borders has to involve the

dispelling of some central myths about immigration to the United States and you do

this in your article one of them is that there's this massive

slice of the electrode out there that's basically foaming at the mouth for these

nativist restrictionist policies and then the other is that restrictionist policies have the capability of keeping

undocumented immigrants out of the US. So can you start with that second question? I mean based on what we know about undocumented immigration flows,

is it possible to keep immigrants out of the country even if we wanted to?

Um, no. The answer is no, I think.

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