Welcome to the vast majority. I am Jacobin, Deputy Editor Micah

Utrich, and I am joined by a special guest co-host that is Megan Day

staff writer at Jacobin.-jackabin. I'm Megan.

Hi.

Hopefully listeners to this podcast readers of Jack-Bin will be familiar with who you are.

We did this conversation with Kim Moody just now, the listeners will be hearing in a second, and it's a conversation about the dirty break strategy which Eric Blanch and Kim Moody will define at some length.

You and I are not exactly neutral interlocutors on this question since we in our book

Bigger than Bernie wrote at length about this question are sort of partisans of it. But Kim Moody is somebody who disagrees with it and he's

somebody who I think both of us really respect for what you know the many

decades of labor organizing and writing that he has done and even if we don't

necessarily agree with him on this question I think that his his perspective on the

question of a dirty break electoral strategy is one that's worth

wrestling with. Yeah I think that's exactly right and it was great to get the

opportunity to talk to Kim about this and I think this is a pretty wide-ranging

conversation that will give listeners to this podcast a good sense of what the

dirty break strategy actually refers to and also at the same time give people a sense of what some of the sticking

points are and where people are coming from when they express pessimism about or skepticism

of the dirty break strategy.

So yeah, I think it's really useful.

I'm glad we did this and everybody have fun listening.

So Kim Moody is one of the founders of Labor Notes.

He's a long time labor writer and

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