Welcome back to Ten Blize. This week's special episode features audio from a Manhattan

Institute event titled

In Defense of Incarceration.

The event was hosted by City Journal Contributing Editor and Nick O'Neill fellow Raphael A. Mangual,

Barry Latter, a professor emeritus at John Jay College and the author of The Myth of Overpunishment,

and John Paul Wright, a professor at the University of Cincinnati, and the author of conservative criminology, a call to restore balance to the social sciences. We hope you enjoy. Good afternoon, and welcome to another Manhattan Institute, event brought to you by our policing and public safety initiative.

Before we get going, I just want to quickly remind everyone that throughout today's event, you should feel free to send us your questions as they come to you through the comment function of whatever platform you're watching us on.

And I will do my very best to get to as many as I can during the discussion.

Now, as I've said before, the primary aim of the Manhattan Institute's Policing and Public Safety Initiative

is to have meaningful and positive impacts on criminal justice policy debates, which we aim to do in a couple of different ways.

One is by drawing on the experience and expertise

of the nation's leading practitioners.

The other is through intelligent and creative scholarship

and commentary that's rooted in empirical evidence,

which brings me to our guests for today.

Now in the interest of time,

I'm gonna keep the introduction short. So I'll

start with Barry Latter, who is a professor emeritus at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice

and the author of many wonderful books on the topics we're going to discuss today, including

the rise and fall of violent crime in America and the myth of overpunishment. And then we also have John Paul Wright, who is a professor

of criminal justice at the University of Cincinnati, and he's also the call author of an

author of many books on these issues, including conservative criminology. So I'm going to go ahead and

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