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The US Government Is Rolling The Dice On Direct Air Capture

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4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Direct air capture and carbon sequestration – is it viable, and scalable?

The U.S. Department of Energy announced in late August that it would be investing $1.2 billion in two direct air capture or DAC facilities. Direct air capture technology, which uses either chemical media (such as a liquid solvent or solid sorbents) or physical processes involving filters to remove C02 directly from the atmosphere. Carbon capture technologies - that capture CO2 at emissions point sources, like power plants or steel making - is also an area the DOE will be supporting for demonstration projects.

Some environmentalists have sharply criticized the Biden administration for providing financial support for DAC and CCS technologies, arguing not only is the technology expensive and unproven, but that it serves as a false flag mechanism by the oil and gas industry to sanction them to continue emitting greenhouse gases.

So should the government be investing billions in these technologies? Can CCS and DAC play a role in decarbonizing hard to abate sectors? To answer these questions and more, guest host Amy Myers-Jaffe steps in for regular host Ed Crooks to anchor the show this week. Amy is Director of NYU’s Energy, Climate Justice and Sustainability Lab. She’s enlisted two Energy Gang regulars and climate modelling experts to explore the world of carbon capture: Emily Grubert, Associate Professor of Sustainable Energy Policy at the Keough School of Global Affairs at the University of Notre Dame, and Robbie Orvis, Senior Director of Modelling and Analysis at the climate thinktank Energy Innovation.

Emily explains the challenges and viability of direct air capture as a technology, while Robbie outlines the modelling that implicates the oil industry in pushing for carbon capture; is it to prolong the lifespan of fossil fuel technologies?

It’s an episode packed with science and analysis, as well as an in-depth look the socio-political implications of initiatives such as DAC and CCS. There’s discussion around NIMBYism, and concern of local communities around the environmental impact of the projects proposed by the DOE.

How currently available incentives are structured raises another issue — they incentivize the capture of maximum CO2 for sequestration but neglect to account for how much greenhouse gas is invested in the capture process. This invites operations that can produce large amounts of CO2 to do so as they can more easily remove it from flue gas streams due to higher concentrations resulting from the use of fossil fuels.

The team wrap up the show by discussing the point that energy sectors we're dealing with – including cement, steel, and various chemical productions – are mostly old, often outdated. So, is it more feasible to create a billion-dollar investment to build CCS plants on the backends of these facilities, or to invest in newer, greener technologies and start afresh? As more sustainable methods become available, the relevance and usefulness of CCS must continually be re-evaluated. It’s all here on this week’s episode.

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0:00.0

Hello, and welcome to the Energy Gang, a discussion show about the fast-changing world of energy.

0:08.6

I'm Amy Myers-Jaffee, Director of the Energy Climate Justice and Sustainability Lab at

0:16.5

New York University School of Professional Studies.

0:19.6

I'm very pleased to be standing in for our regular host Ed Grookes, who's traveling.

0:24.1

It's a busy month for the Energy Gang, too.

0:27.0

We've got some very special, extra episodes coming up for you in the next few weeks.

0:31.6

I'll be joining you live during Climate Week in New York City from NYU, with a great panel

0:37.1

on the future of U.S. Climate Policy.

0:39.7

The panel will feature Anna Unrecohen, Senior Director for Clean Energy Infrastructure and

0:45.4

the National Environmental Policy Act at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

0:51.3

We'll also have Elizabeth Gore, Senior Vice President of the Environmental Defense Fund.

0:57.4

And then, in addition, Transmission and Permitting Expert, Rob Bramwich, Founder and President

1:03.4

of Grid Strategies LLC.

1:06.0

Hit subscribe right now so you don't miss it.

1:08.9

Ed will be back on September 26, bringing you a special edition of the Energy Gang, recorded

1:14.8

in person at Wood McKenzie's Annual Hydrogen Conference in London.

1:19.6

In the show today, Director Capture and Carbon Sequestration should the U.S. government

1:25.4

really be investing billions of dollars in this technology?

1:29.7

Can CCS play a role in decarbonizing hard-to-abate sectors?

1:34.0

To explore these questions and more, I'm very pleased to welcome Robbie Orvis back to the

1:38.9

show.

1:39.9

Robbie is Senior Director of Modeling and Analysis at the Climate Think Tank, Energy Innovation.

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