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I lay on both books and do you want to tell my audience who you are and what you do?

Yeah, my name's Elena Reagan and I'm a chef and an inn owner. My inn is called the Milkweed Inn which is in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in the Hiawatha Forest and also I've written a couple

memoirs so I guess you could say I'm also an author I teach writing classes and I teach cooking classes.

Okay so your story is so wild and the book Burn The Place which I finished and

fieldwork I have not finished, but it's very much like using

food as a way to talk about your life and your experiences in your life. So can you give like a brief rundown for my audience of like what

what combining that was like and how that made the book? Yeah I mean when I was writing that book, I honestly at the time really wasn't thinking anything about

audience or who was going to read it, and I wasn't even really thinking much about structure.

I was just like essentially telling the most vibrant memories I had had and correlating them with food because it's my memoir essentially about like becoming a chef, but more than that I feel like it's you know a queer coming of age memoir and so just a

queer person who ended up being a chef but because I am a chef and that's you know how I built my name I was thinking of

food as the through line and all the things that essentially connected my story to get where I was or where I am through food, right?

So it was just building those pieces together and I was really writing essentially

from intuition and just thinking sort of like

books that I had read and how I liked those stories and then just essentially sort of like tracing my story over the ideas of that sort of craft of other things that I was

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