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Rational Security

The “Up in Flames” Edition

Rational Security

The Lawfare Institute

Foreignpolicy, Nationalsecurity, News, Government, Politics, Middleeast

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 20 June 2024

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

This week, Quinta and Scott were joined by Lawfare Contributing Editor and Senior Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace Eric Ciaramella to talk over the week’s big national security news, including:

  • “Prime Deliverables, in Two Days or Less.” The Biden administration and its European allies coughed up a number of big wins for Ukraine at a meeting of the G7 and subsequent Ukraine peace summit this past week, ranging from a new U.S.-Ukraine security agreement to a commitment to provide $50 billion in assistance derived from frozen Russian assets. But are these measures game-changers—especially with political changes in both Europe and the United States on the horizon?
  • “Trying to F Us.” Policy advisors to former President Trump reportedly have some big plans for government employees if he is elected to a second stint in the White House—including the return of Schedule F, an reorganization of the civil service that would have gutted job protections and made it easier to replace civil servants with partisan loyalists. How big a problem are these plans? And how feasible are they really?
  • “Revenge of the Nerds.” A little known intelligence agency within the State Department—the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, or INR—has gotten some great press of late, celebrating several notable analytic victories it’s secured, often in dissent from the rest of the intelligence community. Is there some secret to INR’s success? Or is it overblown?

For object lessons, Quinta shared more important NJ political corruption news. Scott awarded his song of the summer to “Right Back to It,” the single off Waxahatchee’s phenomenal “Tiger’s Blood.” And Eric recommended “Sovietistan,” a travelogue about Central Asia by Norwegian anthropologist Erika Fatland.

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0:00.0

Guys I feel a little absurd to be doing this remotely when we're all in DC in effect like within pretty easy distance of the office.

0:10.6

And work at offices literally right next to each other.

0:13.4

Yeah, and Eric, Eric is like there right now within feet of our recording studio.

0:19.3

And yet the brutal and unforgiving fire drill schedule at the Brookings Institution

0:25.0

has shifted us back to the virtual studio.

0:28.0

What a tragedy?

0:29.0

I'm sorry to not be there with you.

0:30.0

Yes, we take fire drills.

0:32.0

We take fire safety seriously at the Brookings Institution, and I'm thankful to our many lovely safety people in Fire Marshals, but it does make recording a podcast difficult.

0:41.0

We'll see if we have one here at Carnegie.

0:43.4

We had a phantom fire drill last week and people started exiting the building

0:47.2

and then realized it wasn't a real one.

0:50.1

I always love that when you have everyone in their, you know, like business formal, like their suits and everything like running down the stairs.

0:57.0

It's a very DC moment.

0:59.0

My three-year-old son had his first fire drill actually this past week at his daycare and it was the talk of the town for at least 48 hours

1:06.7

very excited but the students were all so disappointed when a fire truck did not come

1:11.5

because I think a lot of the teachers were talking up, like, who knows?

1:14.4

Maybe the fireman will come.

1:15.4

I had to explain him, no, that would be very bad.

1:17.4

If that is where, is this how this story ended?

1:20.0

Mommy and daddy would be very upset and very nervous for you.

1:22.4

I will say the the last

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