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a richer, more rewarding life.

Welcome to Inquiring Minds. I'm Indravis Gontas.

This is a podcast that explores the space where science and society collide.

We want to find out what's true, what's left to discover, and why it matters.

One of the things the pandemic has taught me is that I do too much. When most of my activities were

stripped away, I took the opportunity to try

only to add back things that are really important to me, like this podcast. I inadvertently took the

advice that Lydie Klotz suggests in his new book, Subtract, The Science of Less. And now that

pandemic restrictions are lifting, I think that many of us are

re-evaluating how we spend our time. And I found his argument that less really is more compelling.

Lydie Klotz is an associate professor at the University of Virginia, where his research is filling in

under-explored overlaps between engineering and behavioral science

in pursuit of more sustainable built environment systems. He's published more than 70 peer-reviewed

articles, and before he turned to academia, he was a professional soccer player.

Lydie Klotz, welcome to Inquiring Minds.

Thank you.

Great to be here.

So you have a relatively unusual path to becoming a professor.

And I think it's really important that we kind of understand where you are coming from so that we can really understand how you do the work that you do. So can you just walk us through

your kind of educational background? It looks like you started as a civil engineer, as an undergraduate.

Yeah. Yeah. And even as an undergraduate, I majored in civil engineering, but I played soccer,

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