This is the Jocco Unraveling Podcast Episode 5 with Darrell Cooper and me,

Jocco Willink, where we leave off Darrell. You were going home and Iraq was just

starting to come apart at the seams. You and your boys took down Sardar's

lieutenant, the Shia rose up, down in the south. We had to redirect forces down

there to get them under control, which was a problem because at the same exact

time we had problems with the Sunni population in the west out in Ann Bar, in

Fallujah for Blackwater contractors got lynched, mutilated, tortured, and hung up

on display by a cheering crowd of people there. A few days after that we sent a

guy named Mattis and his Marines into that city to retaliate and if you tell the

Marines that there's people in that city that killed a bunch of Americans and

mutilated and tortured them and hung them up on display. Go do something about it.

You better provide very specific orders because the Marines are going to tear

somebody up and they went in hard and they went in fast and the Arab language

press just had a field day with that. Start spreading out all over the

Middle East, all over Iraq. The Americans are killing civilians. They're

destroying indiscriminately and this is going on right at the time that the

Shia uprising is happening in the south and so we are split up all over the

country. You seem to focus a lot on the Shia uprising on the south which was

definitely a real problem but when you the first thing that pops into my mind

when you talk about the Shia uprising is Baghdad, it's Sa'dar city. That's the

first thing I think about maybe that's because I was in Baghdad but but also

there was a this is what I remember I remember that Sa'dar city like was

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