I sat down with Joanna Coles of The Daily Beast for a lengthy conversation about what in the world was Melania thinking, what does anybody care?

Also, we talked about the toll that Donald's illegal unconstitutional war of choice must be taking on him

and how it might be driving him to further extremes.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I did because I always have a blast talking to Joanna.

Thank you. blast talking to Joanna. Welcome to the Mary Trump podcast. Let's dive it.

Mary Trump, fantastic to have you back on the podcast. A lot to discuss, not least how your

uncle, the president, copes under pressure.

I want to talk to you about the 25th Amendment because you have talked to us before about how you see echoes of your grandfather's dementia in Donald Trump's face.

But I wanted to kick off by talking about, I guess she's your step-a-a-t, Melania Trump,

and what you made of her statement on Thursday that she wanted Congress to talk to the victims,

that she never really knew Jeffrey Epstein or Gillen Maxwell, that she's never been accused

of anything.

And weirdly demanding that Congress start talking to some of the men involved as if she's

talking about her husband. I'm really fascinated. You're a clinical

psychologist. You study this stuff. What was she saying and what was she not saying in that

statement on Thursday? Well, weirdly, what she was saying is, I don't have any connection to a

pedophile and sex trafficker, which is typically

not something you expect the first lady of the United States to have to come out and say.

So she's clearly getting ahead of something. I want to be clear. I met Melania once, and it was a very

long time ago, so I do not profess to know her personally

at all. As bizarre as the statement was for so many reasons, chief among them, the fact that it

focused attention on the issue Donald has been desperately trying to get us to stop paying

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