This is a Cato Special Podcast. I'm Caleb Brown. Kevin McCarthy is out as U.S. House

Speaker in an unprecedented vote of the House members. What does that mean for the budget

process? What does it mean for the budget process? What does it mean for

representative government and the continuing resolution set to run out in just a few

weeks? Cato's Vice President for Government Affairs, Chad Davis spoke with

another Cato Vice President.

John Samples earlier today.

Could you give us a sense just of why we have a motion to vacate the speakership and what occurred yesterday?

Well, ultimately you have a motion I think because there's a great deal, a couple of things.

There is and has been particularly over the last

seven or eight years a great deal of disagreement and division within the Republican

Caucus in the House of Representatives. That's one thing and part of that division

manifest itself and for some time now

some time now as a really an offense or a resistance to the leadership of the House of Representatives

when you have a Republican speaker

and when you don't have a Republican speaker

to any kind of minority leaders.

And that's because I think there's differences over policies,

in particular policies, there's also differences, I think, about the whole changes in the

Republican Party where elites and the establishment in Washington are seen as a primary thing that the

Republicans should be against. On specific issues there's a belief that when Kevin McCarthy put together the votes he needed to become speaker which took a very long time and itself was not quite unprecedented but it had been a long time since it was so difficult to elect this speaker.

That he agreed to let the people who opposed him have seats on the rules committee and in doing so they

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