From the heart of Cascadia, and the edge of the world, you from that presence, night drift, with Jim Perry.

From the hinterlands, concealed by fog, broadcasting live from 1150 AM, KK and W and Seattle, and streaming worldwide at nightdrift.com.

Thank you for listening.

This is an interview series about the unknown and our relationship to it.

It's presented by the audio documentary Euphomet, a podcast available wherever you listen to them.

It's here that we commune and wander through the big wonder, with guests who are thinkers, explorers, experiences of the phenomena that is on the edge of it all.

This is night drift, and I'm Jim Perry.

Tonight, our guest Les Veles will share stories and discuss Opus, the organization for paranormal understanding and support, as well as describe its mission.

To reach out and provide help and support those who have encountered extraordinary paranormal experiences, we'll jump into that conversation here in a few seconds.

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And right now, we're going to go to the phone lines with our guest Les Veles.

Les, obviously, the mainstream media has grabbed a hold of the UAP story.

But what we'll talk about tonight is often not covered by those outlets, at least not in any great detail, and not by any fault of the journalists, such as Ralph Blumenthal and others who are here to actually tell the full story of this phenomenon, as it's one that can't really be fully told without including aliens and abduction, can it?

Absolutely correct. And I think what's happening here is a, maybe you want to call it the drip method of trying to bring out such facts to the public.

You know, the first step, of course, was to talk about the UAPs that this is real. This is happening.

It's possibly a threat, which I think is probably the attack that would get the most reaction from the federal government that Lou Ellis on no decided to come out with an attack.

So, you know, that's the first step.

I think the second step, of course, is to start talking about the fact that we are in a situation where people are in contact with these non human intelligences.

And so that's maybe a big step for people. There's conscious dissonance about the fact that we are not alone in the universe. I mean, many people feel that we are not alone in the universe.

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