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Oh God, What Now?

The Universities’ Doom Spiral – Can Britain avert disaster?

Oh God, What Now?

Podmasters

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.62.6K Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

A forty-year slow-motion disaster in higher education is reaching its climax – and Labour is left holding the bag. If young people decide a degree isn’t worth the massive debt, where does that leave British cities that depend on free-spending undergraduate populations – and universities that are hooked on no-longer-welcome foreign students? Can academia expect much sympathy from graduate generations whose aspirations are held back by crushing loan repayments? And can Labour do anything about it?  In a fascinating conversation Oxford Brookes history professor and education commentator Glen O’Hara walks Ros Taylor and Hannah Fearn through the unfolding mess. Abstract: “The only way to wake up Westminster and Whitehall is to have a crisis.”   • Buy Glen O’Hara’s book New Labour, New Britain through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund the podcast by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too.  ESCAPE ROUTES  • Hannah recommends Intermezzo by Sally Rooney.  • Glen recommends Kingdom Come by JG Ballard.   • Ros has been watching David Baddiel’s Cat Man on C4.   Support us on Patreon. Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people with money to spend? (Yes, they do exist). Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact ads@podmasters.co.uk to find out more Presented by Ros Taylor with Hannah Fearn. Audio Production by Chris Jones and Robin Leeburn. Art direction: James Parrett. Theme tune by Cornershop. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. OH GOD, WHAT NOW? is a Podmasters production.  www.podmasters.co.uk   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:28.3

Hello and welcome to Oh God What Now. I'm Ros Taylor. Today, tuition fees are up again. Loans are bleeding graduates dry. Students are turning to AI to help them do their work. And now universities are closing down department after department as they struggle to make ends meet.

1:33.6

What's happening to British universities? And does doing a degree make sense if you're not sure whether you need one? With us to talk about it is a special guest, Glenn O'Hara,

1:38.5

who's Professor of Modern and Contemporary History at Oxford Brooks University and is an expert

1:43.3

on the crisis unis find themselves in. Hello, Glenn. Hi, how are you? I'm good. You've got a new book out about the Blair era? I have got a new book out about the Blair era, which does an immense damage to my mental health, because it was a time of fatness in universities, which, when they looked fantastic and they were expanding. So there's a challenge for you.

2:01.9

Well, we're going to talk about what new labour did and didn't do for universities later on.

2:05.8

Also with us, it's oh god, what now regular and award-winning housing journalist Hannah Fern. Hello, Hannah.

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