This is the Libertarian Podcast from the Hoover Institution.

I'm your host Tom Church and I'm back with the Libertarian Professor Richard Epstein.

Richard is the Peter and Kirsten Bedford Senior Fellow here at the Hoover Institution. He is the

Lawrence A Tish Professor of Law at NYU and is a senior lecturer at the University of

Chicago. And Richard, hey we're back after a month hiatus just in time for some scotous arguments on President

Biden's student loan forgiveness plan. This is of course 400 billion dollars that President

Biden is trying to forgive in student loans.

There are actually two cases I want to ask you about, Richard.

There's one, Biden v Nebraska.

This is the suit brought by several states, and then there's Department of Education v Brown.

This is two individuals, one with commercial student,

sorry, commercial loans or private loans,

and another with federal student loans,

but not eligible for the full amount and the latter two are arguing that they are I suppose harm because they're not getting the full full student loan forgiveness.

So this question this this case in front of the Supreme Court justices,

you know, falls into two categories or two major questions,

standing and then the merits.

And so I want to ask you these two cases, the states and then the merits. And so I want to ask you these two cases,

the states and then the individual sides,

which one would you like to tackle

to talk about whether anyone actually has standing

to challenge this action?

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