The unfolding catastrophe of Trump’s war on Iran with David Rothkopf.
The Bill Press Pod
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🗓️ 2 June 2026
⏱️ 34 minutes
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Guest host Joe Cirincione interviews David Rothkopf. Rothkopf is the host of the Deep State Radio podcast. He is also Chief Global Affairs Columnist at the Daily Beast and was formerly the editor-in-chief of Foreign Policy magazine. He has taught at Columbia, Georgetown and Johns Hopkins universities. He was the Deputy Undersecretary of Commerce in the Clinton Administration and is the author of ten books including, most recently, Traitor: A History of Betraying America from Benedict Arnold to Donald Trump. His newsletter "Need to Know" is available at davidrothkopf.substack.com. Cirincione talks with Rothkopf about what he calls the unfolding catastrophe of Trump’s war on Iran, arguing the U.S. has repeatedly failed in Southwest Asia and that this conflict has achieved neither tactical nor strategic objectives, while causing greater-than-reported damage to U.S. bases and eroding trust in military and government accounts. Rothkopf says the war has weakened U.S. alliances, empowered Iran, Russia, and China, and further damaged America’s global standing, while also tying U.S. policy to an increasingly destabilizing Israeli government. The conversation then shifts to domestic consequences, with Rothkopf alleging Trump has monetized the presidency through pervasive corruption, including favors, pardons, and an IRS-related settlement he calls theft from the Treasury. Rothkopf remains hopeful but warns against complacency, argues accountability and progress are linked, and urges resistance ahead of 2026 elections.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, good friends, and welcome to the Bill Press Pod. |
| 0:10.2 | I'm Joe Cirincioni, filling in for Bill while he is away for the next two weeks. |
| 0:14.9 | Today, I'm delighted to talk with author, podcast host, and foreign policy entrepreneur David Rothkopf, one of the global |
| 0:23.5 | security experts I listen to most closely. We're going to start with a deep dive into the |
| 0:29.2 | multiple failures of Trump's war on Iran and why it is perhaps the greatest strategic defeat |
| 0:35.6 | in American history. We will then expand for a broader look |
| 0:39.3 | at how Trump's multiple failures and bizarre policies have weakened America while helping our |
| 0:44.9 | adversaries, particularly Russia and China. But we'll conclude on a hopeful note, discussing |
| 0:51.4 | the heroes resisting Trump's agenda and the prospects for the 2026 election. |
| 0:57.5 | No one is more qualified to do this than David Rothkopf. He's the host of the Deep State Radio |
| 1:04.1 | podcast and the CEO of the ever-growing Deep State Radio Network. He's also chief global affairs |
| 1:10.6 | columnist at the Delhi Beast |
| 1:12.3 | and was formerly the editor-in-chief of Foreign Policy Magazine. David is taught at Columbia, |
| 1:18.1 | Georgetown, and John Hopkins Universities. He was the deputy undersecretary of Commerce in the |
| 1:23.0 | Clinton administration, and is the author of 10 books, including most recently, Trader, A History of |
| 1:29.7 | of Betraying America from Benedict Arnold to Donald Trump. His newsletter, Need to Know, is available |
| 1:36.3 | at David Rothkaw.substack.combe.combe. David, welcome to the Bill Presspod, and thank you so much |
| 1:44.0 | for joining us. |
| 1:45.1 | Always a pleasure to talk to you. |
| 1:47.0 | It's always a pleasure when you have me on your podcast, but I'm the one asking the questions today. |
| 1:52.6 | And I wanted to pull back from the daily disasters to get a bigger picture of the strategic |
| 1:57.7 | situation we're in, how we got here, and how we can get out of here. |
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