Hi guys, I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. Welcome to the Goop podcast made possible by our friends

at Bowling Branch. One Thursday of every month I'll be interviewing a culture

changer. And every Thursday in between editors from our content team will be sitting down

with a spate of proactive thinkers and industry disruptors.

Today's guest is Adam Grant, Wharton's top rated professor and the New York Times bestselling

author of Originals, Give and Take, and Option B, which he co-wrote with Cheryl Sambert.

Adam is a leading expert on motivation and creativity, particularly as it applies to the workplace

and management.

You should start assuming that the other side actually is not there to change your mind,

but rather there to learn from you. And so think about, okay, you know what, what can

I teach this person that they don't know? Which is a very different mindset from saying,

yeah, let me tell you why you're an idiot.

Adam earned his PhD in Organizational Psychology from the University of Michigan and his

BA from Harvard University. Previously, he was a record setting advertising director, a

junior Olympic Springboard diver and a professional magician. Elise Loonon, the chief content officer

here at Goop, got Adam to tell her about the most important things he's learned from studying

a lot of different kinds of office culture, from how to have healthy confrontations with

co-workers, to the latest research on diversity at work, and also how to foster creativity in

the next generation.

Before we get to their conversation, let's talk about one of our partners.

Hey, it's Elise. A few years ago, we did a story on Goop about organic cotton. In the

course of our deep dive, we learned how toxic conventional cotton can really be, for the

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