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The Unbundling of Banks: How Stablecoins Change Everything | Charles Calomiris

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🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 95 minutes

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What happens when stablecoins break apart the traditional business model of banks? Economist Charles Calomiris explains how the “unbundling” of payments and lending reshapes finance, why politics matter more than technology, and what this revolution could mean for the dollar’s future. ------ 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24  https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🪙FRAX | SELF SUFFICIENT DeFi https://bankless.cc/Frax 🦄UNISWAP | SWAP ON UNICHAIN https://bankless.cc/unichain 🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle 🎩DEGEN | JOIN THE COMMUNITY https://bankless.cc/degen 🌳KGEN | REQUEST A DEMO  https://bankless.cc/KGEN-podcast 🏄 SURF | UPGRADE YOUR CRYPTO RESEARCH https://bankless.cc/surf ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 What Are Banks? 7:56 Chartered Banking 30:44 The Unbundling 51:48 Stablecoin Yield Concerns 1:01:42 Death of The Dollar? 1:15:45 Stablecoins Abroad 1:20:52 Future of The Dollar 1:24:38 Dollar as a SoV 1:32:10 Are Stablecoins Winning? 1:36:30 Closing & Disclaimers ------ RESOURCES Charles Calomiris https://x.com/cwcalomiris  Fragile by Design (Charles' Book) https://www.amazon.com/Fragile-Design-Political-Princeton-Economic/dp/0691155240/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&sr=8-1  ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

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0:00.0

What are banks?

0:01.5

Like, what function at their core for society do banks perform?

0:06.2

Wow, I love that question.

0:08.4

I have to put a plug in before I even answer it for the book that I wrote about a decade

0:13.5

ago with Steve Haybrook called Fragile by Design, which is about the modern era from

0:20.4

the perspective of banks. That is, understanding the era from the perspective of banks,

0:22.8

that is understanding the history of the world

0:25.0

from the perspective of something that started about 400 years ago,

0:29.9

which is the chartering of banks.

0:32.4

So the first thing in answering your question that somebody has to do

0:35.5

is decide whether they want to talk about a generic

0:38.4

thing called financial intermediary that does some kinds of transactions involving lending,

0:45.8

maybe, or maybe payments transfers, or maybe both, or maybe managing a portfolio, or maybe, you know, who knows what financial transactions. So,

0:56.8

you know, by that sort of definition, the Rothschilds were clearly a bank. They were a private bank.

1:04.3

Lots of other, the Medici were a bank. But when I use the term bank generally, that's not the way I use it.

1:12.9

I use it to talk about a modern element.

1:17.9

That is, when I say modern, I mean something about the modern world starting around

1:22.1

1600 that distinguishes this world from its prior worlds.

1:27.5

And the reason I focus on that way of thinking is that the nation state created by the

1:33.8

modern world charters banks.

1:37.1

And it's the chartering of banks that makes them in my mind so interesting, not just as an economic function, but as a political

1:46.0

reality. And I want to really emphasize every nation state charters banks. By the way,

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