The Ukrainians dodging the draft
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 17 November 2023
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Summary
Thousands of men have fled Ukraine to avoid conscription, according to a BBC investigation. The BBC’s Kateryna Khinkulova joins us in the studio to explore why, as well as the moral dilemma facing those who attempt to escape the draft.
Sam Cranny-Evans from the London-based security think-tank, the Royal United Services Institute, examines how the war might pan out in the coming years.
And what does Lord Cameron’s visit to Kyiv tell us about British priorities?
Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Gabriel Gatehouse. The producers were Keiligh Baker, Arsenii Sokolov, Madeleine Drury and Clare Williamson. The technical producer was Mike Regaard. The series producer is Tim Walklate. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. |
| 0:04.9 | Hello, it's 632 days since Russia began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:10.8 | And on Thursday, the UK's new Foreign Secretary and former Prime Minister, David Cameron, |
| 0:15.7 | in his first official trip as Foreign Secretary, visited President Zelensky in Kiev. |
| 0:20.8 | Yes, sir. |
| 0:21.8 | Welcome. |
| 0:22.8 | No, it was all to be you. |
| 0:23.8 | Oh, I agree, too. |
| 0:24.8 | I'm very very visitors. |
| 0:25.8 | Welcome. |
| 0:26.8 | Yeah, I don't know what you thought about it, Vic, but the whole thing seemed incredibly |
| 0:31.4 | awkward, right? |
| 0:32.8 | David Cameron walked in, he seemed very stiff, then there was like this parade of advisors |
| 0:37.8 | and underlings who came in and shook his hand, and then he made that kind of awkward quip |
| 0:42.4 | about Boris Johnson and how he'd known him for 40 years and doing the agreement with |
| 0:46.8 | everything he'd done, but thought what he'd done in Ukraine was great. |
| 0:49.9 | I had some disagreements with my friend Boris Johnson, but we've known each other for |
| 0:53.6 | 40 years, and his support was the finest thing. |
| 0:57.5 | I mean, it was a bit weird, wasn't it? |
| 1:00.5 | I did not get that feeling at all. |
| 1:03.5 | Really? |
| 1:04.5 | I thought it's worth. |
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