The Ukrainian exodus
The Story
The Times
3.9 • 1.6K Ratings
🗓️ 29 March 2022
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
Nearly four million refugees have fled the war in Ukraine since it began a month ago. It's the biggest movement of people since records began. We hear stories from the Polish border, as this wave of humanity crosses through.
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Guests:
Roger Boyes, Diplomatic Editor, The Times.
Natalia Gryvnyak, Ukrainian journalist.
Host: Manveen Rana.
Clips: Times Radio, LA Times, Euronews.
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| 0:00.0 | All along the Ukrainian border, you hear the same thing as a tide of reluctant refugees |
| 0:28.8 | crosses into Poland. |
| 0:31.8 | Our husbands, our parents, they didn't want to go. |
| 0:35.8 | Even us, we also didn't want to leave, but we want to save our children, that's why we come here. |
| 0:42.8 | We hope that it's not for a long time and we soon will come back home. |
| 0:49.8 | Around 4 million Ukrainians, mostly women and children, have left the country in the past month. |
| 0:56.8 | Many are desperate to return. |
| 1:00.8 | Everyone thinks that, you know, Ukrainians are so lucky at the moment because there are so many doors open to them, but, you know, we want to stay. |
| 1:08.8 | Certainly the will is there to return. |
| 1:12.8 | Putin can change that. I mean, if he starts to gas people or chemical weapons without completely changes, then you want to make your home somewhere else. |
| 1:20.8 | Of those who stayed behind, a further six and a half million people have been displaced within Ukraine. |
| 1:27.8 | It's becoming the fastest-growing refugee crisis since World War II. |
| 1:34.8 | So how does it feel when war forces you to flee your own home? |
| 1:41.8 | You're listening to stories of our times from the times and the Sunday times. I'm Manvian Rana. |
| 1:51.8 | Today, dispatches from the Ukrainian border. |
| 1:55.8 | Pshemishal was the main place, but we drove in both directions. It's quite a sprawly border and there are a number of border crossings. |
| 2:17.8 | That's Roger Boyce, diplomatic editor of the Times. |
| 2:21.8 | He recently reported from Pshemishal, a Polish town less than 10 miles from the Ukrainian border. |
| 2:27.8 | It used to be a big smuggling center for that part of Europe. |
| 2:32.8 | And, in fact, I remember in the old days when I was a correspondent in Poland in the 90s, one of the big scandals was puppy smuggling from Ukraine. |
| 2:40.8 | Puppy smuggling. |
| 2:42.8 | Puppy smuggling. |
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