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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

The Ukraine War Ep. 5: Russia Humiliated

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Telling the history of the war that’s reshaping the world. In Ep.5: As Putin’s assault falters and his army degenerates into retreat and atrocity, Russia’s self-image as a bulwark against fascism falls into tatters. Arthur Snell looks at the incompetence, factionalism, corruption and failure to plan which created this debacle – how Russia remains obsessed with the Great Patriotic War – how Chechnya and Georgia provided dry runs for Ukraine — and the cocktail of self-destructive impulses, self-pity and authority-worship that still drive ordinary Russians to support the war. Hear next week’s edition of Doomsday Watch: The Ukraine War immediately when you support the podcast on Patreon: http://www.doomsdaywatch.co.uk • “At Hostomel, the Russian obsession with information security meant that they didn’t brief their own troops until it was too late.” – Jack Watling • “The Russian Army is a top-down organisation where initiative is frowned upon. It specialises in plodding assaults.” – Mike Martin • “You see Russia’s self-destructive tradition in its drinking and suicide rates, in the way power is distributed. We need to worry about that urge and who gets pulled into its vortex.” – Peter Pomerantsev • “The Russian attitude is, we saved the West from fascism. Now look at these ingrates.” – Jade McGlynn • “Putin was a pretty mediocre director of the FSB. He was always ‘talk big, fight small’ and Ukraine is his first truly big war, thrown together not by generals but by him and a few spooks.” – Mark Galeotti Photograph courtesy Anatolii Stepanov Incidental music in order of appearance: • Thy Resurrection’ performed by the Music of the Kyiv-Pechersk Monastery • Gustav Mahler’s Symphony Number 5, performed by Jason Weinberger and the WCF Symphony • Gustav Mahler’s Symphony Number 9 (First Movement) performed by the Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra Written and presented by Arthur Snell. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. Doomsday Watch is a Podmasters production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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In the summer of 2022, just months into his invasion of Ukraine and fresh from raising

0:48.8

the city of Maripol to the ground, Vladimir Putin gathered a group of young Russian scientists

0:54.8

and entrepreneurs to the opening of an exhibition dedicated to Peter the Great,

0:59.8

who was Russia's transformational ruler of the early 18th century.

1:05.5

Settling into an armchair, Putin used a televised speech to deliver another of his quasi-historical lectures,

1:14.3

comparing himself and Russia's invasion to the conquests of the empire-building Tsar.

1:24.8

A few months later, I spoke with Russian historian Vladislav Zubok.

1:40.3

I mean, there are a few people who remember what happened at the Peter the Great and Catherine the Great,

1:44.3

who just read some books about it.

1:46.9

So when Putin talks to people to whom he talks mainly, interesting, he talks to those people who

1:53.0

reconstruct the battles. He talks to people who dig out graves and find corpses in unmarked

2:01.2

graves and fields of Stalingrad. He talks to them, but that's very narrow. I would say,

2:07.5

if you ask the Russians today, do you want to go to fight and dive to avenge distant relatives

2:15.4

that perish during the second whole war? I'm not sure what will be the reaction.

2:20.2

The first things think, yes, of course, it's like all Britain's they commemorate November 1918,

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