4.4 • 7 Ratings
🗓️ 23 January 2017
⏱️ 30 minutes
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0:00.0 | This is Paul Adamson and I'm in conversation with Jonathan Fall. |
0:11.0 | Jonathan Fall has recently left the European Commission after career spanning almost four decades. |
0:17.0 | And his most recent job was the head of the UK referendum task force. |
0:25.4 | Jonathan, I've been wanting to talk to you about your most recent job for a long time, |
0:28.7 | but now you've left the European Commission now as a good opportunity, hopefully. |
0:33.7 | First of all, I'd like to get a flavour of how the discussion and negotiations took place between the EU, the European Commission and the United Kingdom and its civil service. |
0:38.6 | What kind of discussion was it? Was it real negotiation or simply more of a civilised |
0:44.1 | conversation between consenting adults? |
0:47.7 | Well, it was usually very simple, but it was a real negotiation. Certainly towards the end as we approached the European Council meetings in December and February of 2016, |
1:03.0 | we were talking about very detailed wording and texts. |
1:08.0 | There were many, many discussions, some more formal than others. |
1:16.6 | And I think the atmosphere was civilized throughout, but there were very difficult issues, |
1:22.6 | quite obviously to be dealt with. And if looks back at the the various phases of the |
1:31.9 | operation I think from the election of the Conservative government in May |
1:41.3 | until November when Prime Minister David Cameron set out his demands in a letter. |
1:50.0 | There was a period during those months of informal discussion because the British had not set out in writing exactly what they wanted. |
2:01.6 | It was pretty obvious to a very large extent what they thought they wanted, |
2:08.6 | but the discussions then were necessarily informal and then moved into a more formal stage. |
2:13.6 | So there are certain parallels in a sense up to a point between that situation of the five |
2:18.2 | months or so between the election, the re-election, the Conservative Government and its formal |
2:23.9 | letter to Donald Tusk, the President of the European Council, and the situation after the referendum |
2:28.3 | last year where, well, until the very recent speech by Theresa May, a few days ago, in London, we did not know. |
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