The U.S.-China Problem
Skullduggery
Michael Isikoff, Daniel Klaidman, Victoria Bassetti
4.0 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 10 March 2021
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
The Covid-19 pandemic has made the long-looming presence of China on the global stage a personal matter for all Americans. This is one of many claims that columnist Josh Rogin makes in his new book on U.S.-China relations, Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the 21st Century. He joins Michael Isikoff and Dan Klaidman to discuss the long reach of China into American life, and to outline the unique challenges that the Biden administration will face in the wake of the often covert Chinese manipulation of Trump's White House.
GUEST:
- Josh Rogin (@joshrogin), Author and Opinion Columnist, Washington Post
HOSTS:
- Michael Isikoff (@Isikoff), Chief Investigative Correspondent, Yahoo News
- Dan Klaidman (@dklaidman), Editor in Chief, Yahoo News
RESOURCES:
- Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the 21st Century by Josh Rogin (2021)
- "In 2018, Diplomats Warned of Risky Coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan Lab. No One Listened." by Josh Rogin, Politico (Mar. 8, 2021)
- "How covid hastened the decline and fall of the U.S.-China relationship" by Josh Rogin, Washington Post (Mar. 4, 2021)
- "The Biden administration confirms some but not all of Trump's Wuhan lab claims" by Josh Rogin, Washington Post (Mar. 9, 2021)
- "China Is Not Ten Feet Tall: How Alarmism Undermines American Strategy" by Ryan Hass, Foreign Affairs (Mar. 3, 2021)
- "U.S. Warned Jared Kushner About Wendi Deng Murdoch" by Kate O'Keeffe and Aruna Viswanatha, Wall Street Journal (Jan. 15, 2018)
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| 0:00.0 | The virus that we're talking about having to do, you know, a lot of people think that |
| 0:05.2 | goes away in April with the heat as the heat comes in. |
| 0:08.9 | Typically that will go away in April. |
| 0:11.4 | We're in great shape though. |
| 0:13.6 | We're in great shape though. |
| 0:16.1 | That was Donald Trump reassuring the American public on February 10, 2020, that the coronavirus |
| 0:21.9 | was nothing to worry about. |
| 0:24.1 | But where did the President of the United States get the idea that the novel virus would |
| 0:28.9 | simply disappear once the warmer weather of spring arrived? |
| 0:34.1 | According to Josh Rogan, foreign policy columnist for the Washington Post and author of a new |
| 0:38.4 | book chaos under heaven, Trump, Xi, and the battle for the 21st century, it was planted |
| 0:44.3 | during a phone call just a few days earlier from the President of China himself. |
| 0:50.5 | Xi, Rogan writes, assured the American President that the virus was under control and no threat |
| 0:57.1 | to the outside world and would likely go away once the weather got warmer. |
| 1:01.7 | Even though his own scientists were telling him something very different, Trump bought |
| 1:06.0 | it. |
| 1:07.0 | A glaring example of how the Chinese government was able to manipulate our government about |
| 1:11.9 | the most pressing threat to the health and welfare of our citizens. |
| 1:15.7 | But as Rogan describes it, the Chinese threat to our economy, to our intellectual property, |
| 1:20.3 | to our trade, to our national security itself is now the most pressing foreign policy issue |
| 1:25.8 | of our time. |
| 1:26.8 | We'll talk to Rogan about how he came to that conclusion on this episode of Skullbuggery. |
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