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As America, as promised, I'm joined by Karim Sajafur of the Carnegie Endowment.

Karim is one of the Beltway's genuine experts on the Islamic Republic of Iran, and he has

been tutoring me for at least a decade. A mutual friend introduced us over dinner when I moved

back to Washington in 2016, had the occasion since then to get up, meet with him a couple of

times, and dig deep into the Islamic Republic. And boy, you're in demand right now, Kareem. First of all, it's good to see you. Thank you for doing this. I know how busy you must be right now. Is the phone just ringing constantly off the hook? It is indeed a very busy time, and I appreciate you inviting me back to you. Well, welcome back. Can we start

by alerting the audience? Tell them your background. You went to the University of Michigan,

we're going to overlook that here at Ohio State headquarters. But tell them your background and how

you came to specialize in all things you're on. Sure. So I was born in the United States, but my parents were originally from Iran.

They emigrated to the United States.

Most Iranian families in the United States came here, 1979 or shortly thereafter,

when the 1979 revolution happened.

But my parents had emigrated to the United States a decade

prior to that. And so my father was a neurologist. We grew up mostly in Michigan. I went to

University of Michigan Ann Arbor. I played soccer. The first person I met in freshman orientation

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