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Today, we are going to go back in time.

We're celebrating America 250, and we thought we should bring an expert with us.

So we have Dr. Matthew Spalding.

He is the Kirby Professor in Constitutional Government and the Dean of the Van

Andal Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale College. He's also currently serving as a senior

academic advisor for America 250 and the author of the book, The Making of the American Mind,

the story of our Declaration of Independence. Thank you so much for joining me.

Great being with you. Great being with you. So I, you know that I wanted to hear stories that we

don't really talk about much in American history, which I have to say are probably a lot of

the stories because I feel like our kids are getting a very watered down version of American

history. But your book is, it goes through so many like little nuggets that we don't really hear

about in the founding. And I want to also just talk about how impressive it is for this group to go.

You know what? We came over here. We have this king. We're not going to let him do this.

We want to be a free society and how they look toward biblical values for that, because I think

that's something that gets lost as well. I know that's a lot, but I kind of want to touch on all of

that. So give us your best. No, look, I completely agree.

I think sometimes we forget a couple of things.

One is, yes, students aren't studying history as much anymore, and that's a great tragedy.

But in many ways, more importantly, we forget sometimes, especially as adults, we forget how enticing the great stories are i mean the

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