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Welcome to the Tutor Dixon podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon and I'm so glad you're tuning in today

because today I am joined by someone I recently met and I was blown away by all of his

knowledge in the health space everywhere from pain to COVID. A lot of the subjects that we're

talking about right now. So I wanted to make sure that he could come on and talk to you as well.

I invited him here so that we could learn more. Welcome the medical director at the University

of Wisconsin's pain clinic. Dr. Ella Abd al-Sahed. I want to make sure I know I'm probably not saying

that perfectly right. You did it actually perfectly right. So thank you. Thank you so much. So we

met at a meeting out in Austin and you were talking to me about not only pain but a lot of the

stuff that is happening in or was happening in the COVID space and I think that we still all have

a lot of questions about COVID. Obviously we see it every single day on the news whether or not

we're going to hold China accountable for this. So that is a political question. But behind the scenes,

if you could just give us a little kind of update of or information about what you saw because I

know you said that you saw things that you just thought weren't weren't exactly the way they should

have been in the medical community. Yes and again thanks for having me and it's been great to

meet with you and get to connect and thanks for having me on the podcast because it's very

important to have those media outlets to start talking to people more about science and what we see

in the medical field because we've been all as physicians watching TV listening to our politicians

which I respect so much. But then talking about things that we thought are you know inaccurate

missing some information or not showing the two sides of the story. And I'll take an example

overall in science and in the medical field there are a lot of things we do that I didn't see

happen in with COVID or with the political controversial topics around healthcare which made me

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