It's hard to read the news these days without asking yourself, how did we get here?

Fiasco is a history podcast for the co-creators of Slow Burn.

In our first season, Bush v. Gore, we examine an unmistakable turning point in American politics,

the 2000 election, which resulted in a high-stakes stalemate, ended with one of the most controversial rulings in Supreme Court history.

So if you're trying to make sense at the present moment, check out Fiasco, Bush v. Gore. Listen on the IHeart

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We've all been talking about what Donald Trump will do when he gets into office with all of these big companies that had been censoring him.

And now everybody's kind of flocking to him.

And it seems like even the Zuckerbergs of the world have been like, maybe I shouldn't make this guy mad again.

So the world seems to be changing, but is it actually changing?

We wanted to ask an expert.

So we're bringing in Mike Benz.

He is the director of the Foundation for Freedom Online and a former State Department official in the Trump administration.

He has become known as the blob expert, taking on Internet censorship right here in the U.S. and abroad.

Thank you so much for joining me.

Thanks much for having me.

So we're all watching this.

We're all watching the Zuckerbergs and the Bezos and all these guys kind of come around,

Trump.

I mean, should we take this with a grain of salt considering what they did to him?

Well, I think it's one of those things where you can forgive a little but not forget,

certainly not entirely that you can trust someone as far as you can throw them, but still

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