Hey, this is Buck Sexton, and you're listening to the Tudor Dixon podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck Sexton podcast network.

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Well, here at the Tudor Dixon podcast, we've been wanting to chat with the former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich for some time now, but sometimes God's timing is best.

And seriously, who better to break down the current goings on in Washington DC than the former speaker himself speaker Gingrich. Welcome to the podcast.

That's great to be with you and you're right. These are very interesting times.

It is. It is. And for so many reasons, because I have to tell you we're watching what's happening in Washington DC. And for those who are listening out there, if you're not totally following everything that happens every day,

a pretty major historic move occurred this week where we saw Matt Gaetz, Congressman Matt Gaetz put a motion out there to oust the speaker and Kevin McCarthy was ousted from his position, which is shocking because it took eight Republicans really to team up with Democrats.

Right now we're trying to get Republicans to come together. And instead we see Republicans teaming up with Democrats to oust Kevin McCarthy.

And on the ground, you hear a lot of folks who are happy about this. And I think that maybe there's there's some confusion in the party as to how exactly things work in Washington.

So speaker Gingrich, I wanted to get your opinion on this because you've been pretty outspoken. You've even called these people traders. So explain from your perspective, having been in this position, what this is doing to the party.

And let me draw a distinction. I think people have every right to be angry. You look at the border, you look at crime, you look at the price of food and gasoline, you look at drug addiction, killing more Americans every year than we lost in the entire eight years of the Vietnam war, you look at the collapse of education and a lot of good reasons to be angry.

The question is whether or not the people you ought to be angry at are Republicans or are left wing Democrats who've been imposing the policies that are causing you personally so much pain.

So I think in that sense, the person gets up and yells the loudest, I really am angry, attracts a certain crowd just because they feel at least someone's expressing their anger.

The challenge is if you are trying to get something positive done, you're trying to actually pass something, the Republicans in the House, for example, tried to pass a continuing resolution that cuts spending by 8%, which was a significant effort.

It was defeated, frankly, by conservatives. Then they tried to pass a continuing resolution that would have cut 30%, which would have been enormous. It was defeated by conservatives.

It wasn't good enough. So the not good enough crowd guaranteed in the end that the liberals win. And I think that that's something people have, you know, we simply have to communicate to people that if it's all or nothing, very often under our system, you get nothing.

And since we're the party that wants to change things, every time we get nothing, the left wins. And that's exactly what's been happening.

I think that's a key point. I want to stay on that for a second because we're seeing this in Washington, DC, but let's face it, we're seeing this across the country, whereas there is this division of folks who are saying, I'm a true patriot, I'm a true conservative, and I want all or nothing.

And that's simply not how even the founding fathers knew the country would work. And I think that's been hard to bring people together because there is this faction that is like, no, if you are not a true,

this word of true patriot or true conservative, then I am not with you. But ultimately, I think what you said, there is key, then you get nothing. And that's what we've seen so many times, but how do you get folks to really understand that that asking people to come together and compromise with your own party is not asking people to give up.

Well, you know, I mean, Ronald Reagan, we did the Clinton, I did a movie called rendezvous with the rest of this thing about Ronald Reagan. And Reagan always said that the key to negotiation is to get to a negotiation.

And if you can get 60 or 70 or 80% of what you want, take it and then come back next week and start negotiating again.

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