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Welcome to the Tudor Dixon podcast.

We have a treat for you today.

I feel like we are getting towards spring.

And in Michigan, when we get towards spring, we have like three or four or five springs before spring actually comes.

But there is also the hope that Jesus is coming and that we will see him again

and that hope of Easter and that feeling of just life coming back. And that is something that I

get to share with you today through the eyes of two beautiful authors, someone that you probably

know from TV, but also a

beautiful author, Kathy Lee Gifford and Dr. Brian Litvin.

They're joining me today because they have a new book out, and it is a fabulous way to read

about these stories, and it's a story of Nero and Paul, and at the end, how they kind of intersect.

It's called Nero and Paul, how the Gospel of Grace defeated the ruler of Rome. Thank you, too,

for joining me today. Oh, so happy to meet you finally. We have so many mutual friends and so glad to

reconnect with that guy. We spent a lot of time writing these books

to get. Good to see you. Which if you read the book, you can tell that you do spend a lot of

time because it's almost like a book and then a podcast, a written podcast in the book, because

we get to see how you two interact. And it's funny. I found myself laughing out loud, especially

when you talked about

Paul having the unibrow and you, and Kathy Lee's like, I like to think of myself as better

looking. Yes. Well, what I say about that is he was no oil painting. Yes, but I mean, you

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