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I want to jump right in today because we've got Gordon Chang with us.

He is a Gatestone Institute senior fellow and the author of Plan Red China's Project

to Destroy America.

This is one of many books, though, Gordon.

I'm so glad you're here today

because obviously China is top of mind for everybody in Washington, D.C. And for those of us on the

outside, we're kind of watching everything, all the strategy play out. And I know you have the

inside track. Well, thank you so much, Tudor. And happy Memorial Day. Yes, happy Memorial Day to you as well.

So as we watch what's going on, I mean, there's so much because we've got the tariffs.

And certainly in Michigan, there are a lot of people that are concerned about the tariffs in general

because a lot of the automotive parts come from China or they go back and forth.

So there's great concern over tariffs on China being greater than any other country.

But can you kind of break down for our audience why that is?

Well, most Americans assume this is peacetime.

And yes, we're not actually in a war with China. China, however, is in a war with us.

They've declared a People's War on us in May 2019, and that is propaganda, but for the Communist

Party, it's important words. It has a phrase which has residence that goes back before the establishment

of the People's Republic. So we should consider ourselves not in peace, but at war. And in war,

we have to take extraordinary measures to protect our society. So I can understand why people

don't like the tariffs, and they certainly are going to hurt Americans. But this is going

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