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Welcome to the Tudor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tudor Dixon and today I'm joined by Bobby Burak, a writer for Outkick based right here in the beautiful state of Michigan.

Bobby reports unanalyzes the latest media topics and trends and his latest

latest column caught my interest.

I want to dive more into that today.

Bobby, thank you so much for being here.

Tudor, thanks for having me.

Like I told just last time, but it's so rare to talk to other people

in media from Michigan.

All of them seem to be based in LA or New York or Nashville.

So yeah, I think you and I are the only ones that I know of so it's pretty cool.

I think it's great because we have the opportunity to kind of give that Midwest perspective and

not a lot of people hear from folks in the Midwest in your column this week was very

interesting to me because not only are you talking about affirmative action but

you're talking about ESG I think both of those things are that are things that affect the Midwest quite a bit.

We have a lot of businesses here who feel like they're being crushed by the ESG, but we have a lot of

awesome universities in Michigan especially and I want to get to what you're saying

about affirmative action because obviously we had this decision from the

Supreme Court it kind of made people going a little crazy on both sides. You have people on the right defending it.

You have people on the left saying that this is an atrocity. But you have kind of dug deep into this and said is this really a good thing I mean your

numbers on Harvard were shocking to me so I want you to kind of explain the

background here yeah when the ruling came out I think think it was a, came down. I think it was on a

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