From battling the red threat to bankrolling bizarre ventures, that is the wild ride that USAID has taken in history.

It was established by JFK in 1961 to counter communism, but it's now dishing out nearly 800 million to fund global censorship and radical gender ideologies.

Not to mention 20 million for an Iraqi Sesame Street,

because that's the best use of our taxpayer dollars. But it gets worse than that because there

have been numerous reports of the money ending up in the hands of terrorists. So when did this

mission drift into chaos begin? To unravel at all, we're joined by Jay Michael Waller.

He's a former CIA operative from the Cold War era.

So we'll dig deep in how USAID lost its way and discuss why, according to Waller's book,

Big Intel, how the CIA and the FBI went from Cold War heroes to deep state villains.

Why politicians are so scared to probe the CIA.

So get ready for a no-hold barred conversation about government agencies that started with

noble intentions, but grew into these behemists of corruption.

Stay tuned for Jay Michael Waller.

Thank you. rule into these behemists of corruption. Stay tuned for J. Michael Waller. Well, Mike, it's your first time on the show. I appreciate you taking the time. I had

reached out to a group of friends trying to figure out the right person to have this conversation

with, and you were recommended. So I appreciate you making the time today. Well, it's good to be on your show, Lisa. So you recently authored

a book called Big Intel, how the CIA and the FBI went from the Cold War heroes to deep state

villains. I want to dig into that a little bit deeper in a minute. But let's talk about, so you were

CIA operative. You spent time in Central

America. Tell me about that experience. You know, what was it like? When did you get into the CIA?

Kind of give us a little bit of your background in that. Well, it was a really neat experience.

I was only 21. I was still an undergraduate in college. And I got in a very unorthodox way. I was active in college

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