I was at a conference recently and I heard my next guest speak and I thought to myself,

let's get him on the show. He was discussing corporate America's embrace of diversity, equity,

and inclusion, but he was saying things I hadn't heard before and it was just different

angles that I'm used to hearing. And that's what I try to do on this podcast is just to get

different angles, to get different guests, to keep

things interesting, but also just so that we can all continue learning together. But what he was

talking about is Obama's role, former President Obama's role in pushing these companies to the left,

how his people infiltrated corporate America and turned them woke. So we'll discuss that,

we'll discuss what happened.

And we'll also discuss the latest course correction now that President Trump and his

administration, all these DEI executive orders and, you know, pushing America's companies

back to the right. So we'll discuss that course correction. How long will it last? What do we need

to know? So stay tuned for O.H. Skinner.

He is the executive director of Alliance for Consumers. He also previously worked for the Arizona

Attorney General. He was the state's lead counsel in the United States Supreme Court. So stay

tuned for OH Skinner. Well, OH, it's great to have you on the show. I recently met you and, you know, we're having

discussions about some of this DEI stuff. And so I was like, I got to get them on my podcast.

So I appreciate you making the time and I look forward to this conversation.

This is going to be fun. It will be fun. Okay, so let's start with, because you said something, which I hadn't really given much thought about prior to you saying it.

But walk us through the role that the Obama administration and Obama world played in pushing these companies to woke and pushing these companies towards DEI?

Yeah, I mean, I think what's really important to understand about corporate America at a basic level is that they just respond to incentives and pressures, especially pressures.

And you have to go back in time to what feels like forever ago, but, you know, Obama wins. He's the

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