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Welcome to The Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get to the heart of the issues that matter to you.

Today, we're unpacking that massive military parade in Beijing.

It was the 80th anniversary military parade where President Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong-un flexed their alliance,

sparking Trump's accusations of a conspiracy against the United States.

So what does this mean for America's stance against China?

Joining us for all of this and more is Gordon Chang, you know him.

He's a leading expert on U.S. China relations,

and he'll let us know what we should really believe. Stay tuned for Gordon Chang.

Well, Gordon, it's great to have you back on the program. You know, you're always the go-to on China-related

matters. So appreciate you for making the time.

Well, thank you, Lisa. I appreciate it.

You know, Gordon, I wanted to ask you, we saw recently this military parade in Beijing

with the leaders of North Korea, China, and Russia altogether. What did you think when you saw this?

What's the significance of it? Is there a significance to it? Kind of walk us through your

line of thinking on this. Xi Jinping was engaged in information warfare. The most important

audience for him was not us. It was the Chinese people, because he wants

to show them the Communist Party is capable. It is the one responsible for the rejuvenation of the

great Chinese nation, as he puts it. But we were the secondary audience because Xi Jinping wanted

to intimidate the world. He wants to promote the narrative that China is the dominant power and that the United States is finished. And so we had this grand parade. You know, when I saw the parade, I was thinking of the Chinese military strategists from ancient times, Sun Tzu. And one of his more famous comments is, quote,

when weak appear strong. And that's what we have been seeing, especially over the last three or

four weeks, there's been an extraordinary amount of Chinese propaganda, state media,

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