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Hey everybody, this is Andrew Klaven. I have a new book coming out, a book that is extremely

important to me and I hope it will be something you will desperately want to read. It's called

The Truth and Beauty, How the Lives and Works of England's greatest poets point the way

to a deeper understanding of the words of Jesus. I don't think it's a book that anyone else

would have written and I hope you will go on and pre-order it so that the publishers know

that people are interested in it and want to hear about this. I thought just to introduce

some of the concepts in the book, I would bring on my son Spencer Klaven because he is

one of the smartest people I know. He is the host of the Young Heretics podcast and there

are other reasons we should hear the right person to talk to this about our ideas are

very much interwoven in a lot of ways. Presumably, I have no idea how I got here. I just

one minute I was walking down the street in Nashville. Suddenly, some guy with a hood came

out from behind me. No, it's actually, it is really wonderful to be talking about this

book to see a come to fruition because I've been there from the beginning. I mean, this

book begins with a conversation between us and I often say to people that I find it

hard sometimes to know where your thought begins and mine ends. We spent so much time

talking about ideas. Tell the folks a little bit about that conversation that we have.

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