Welcome to The Our Hen House interview. I'm Jasmine Singer.

I'm Mary Ann Sullivan.

And we're so excited because today we're going to be welcoming back, Dr. Liz Tyson, who is Born Free USA's director of animal welfare and advocacy, and has worked to protect animals in communities

around the world and is the author of licensing laws and animal welfare, the legal protection

of wild animals with Pauldgrave McMillan Springer Nature. Welcome back to our henhouse, Liz.

Thank you. I'm really happy to be here.

Lots to catch up on. It's been a hot minute. But before we do, I just want to remind our listeners and our viewers that our henhouse has multiple podcasts that come out each week, which is something that's, I think, new from when you were last on, Liz.

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Okay.

Let's get back to our interview now because there's a lot to cover today.

So Liz, I want to start with the recent death

of Happy, the Elephant at the Bronx Zoo. It has brought the topic of zoos into the news that rhymed,

which is a nice way of starting an interview. Actually, if you could do the rest of the interview

in rhyme, that would be, okay, yeah. Actually, if you could do the rest of the interview in rhyme, that would be.

I will. Yeah. So many of our listeners are probably somewhat familiar with Happy's story,

but can you tell us a bit about her? Sure. So Happy died literally just a few days ago and she was housed at the Bronx Zoo for almost

50 years. We know that she was captured from her wild home and has been held in captivity

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